11-24-2024, 04:04 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2024, 04:12 AM by 2SleepBetta.)
RE: Still feeling fatigue during the day even though using CPAP device regularly
Jukka, you wrote:
"...I sleep most often on my side but I feel is easier for me to fall asleep on my back. Quite often I fall asleep on my back, then wake up and continue the sleep on my side (sometimes not able to catch the sleep any more). I can share some fresh charts from Oscar and try to sleep on my side.
Regarding the night for November 8th I don't recall any more how much I slept on my back."
Phlegm being a key factor, I'm sure, in your poor sleep it's important you not only try to get control in, say, ways Geer1 or others suggest. Try their or your own approaches, one by one, through a fair trial period: at least a week? a month? longer?
But, also, immediately do more, all you can, in addition to, or as an alternative to, what you've tried to remove positioning effects (e.g., you raising the head end of your bed). That raise up is one of the three "positioning" ways to reduce your troubling sleep disruptive factors that you can control: your three different sleep position options: raise the head of the bed or use a wedge; wear a firm enough cervical collar that fits almost snug against the bottom of your jaw; prevent supine sleep.
Don't reduce but, maybe, raise the head of the bed more or add an upper body wedge. Get a high-enough cervical collar to eliminate or reduce any chin tucking's airflow interference. Take whatever measures are needed and tolerable to ensure you sleep on your side, not on your back. Do all three, one at a time—even all at once if you can. If you sleep no worse doing it, try all three at once ASAP. Just get to a place where you enable better assessments of any dietary, Rx and nostrum-use changes you try. Your trials of your foods, drugs and nostrums, I expect, will require the most trials, time and care to evaluate them. Positioning benefits, if any, should far more quickly become visible in OSCAR or, more importantly, in how rested you feel. (I assume, you will try raising your pressures like PLaP or as I suggested for EMIN (8 or 9 cm) and as you have suggested.)
As in my small-font, colored caveats in my signature area far below: I'm sure you understand this but feel it must be made clear: Any trials you attempt are your own choice and your own responsibility. I and others here are commenting based only on our own lived experiences and from our readings about problem solving here on the forum and elsewhere. We laymen give you our thoughts about how you might improve your sleep, all based on how we interpret information you may or may not provide us. None of us have medical credentials, so far as I know.
To almost exclude any doubt you might have about whether you have slept on your side or supine, I suggest the following simple method. I do assume you can fall asleep on your side—because I know this method makes it very difficult to roll over to side sleep and that would definitely cause arousal. But, if the method gives you more and longer snatches of sleep than you have been getting, there would be a net benefit in better rest and it would clear away a bit of those things that obscure your path toward finding much more restful sleep.
Far simpler than how I stopped my supine sleep, you might try this. Get a sturdy shoe-box size box and an ordinary strong waist belt. Cut minimal slots at the bottom edge of the opposite narrow ends of the box. Slip the belt through the slots and atop the bottom of the box and buckle the belt snugly around your waist. Try your DIY supine block for at least a week. See if it, in addition to raising your exhalation pressure to 8 or 9 cmH20, helps your sleep and your OSCAR graphs. You may well need to tape in reinforcing pieces of sturdy cardboard to maintain shape of the box and to prevent belt slots in the box from enlarging. Sufficient rigidity of the box bottom against your back will keep the block from moving past your hips. The longer the box and it span across the back, the less free movement toward or away from the supine position. Here is a link to the supine block I fashioned using what was apparently a surveyor or timber cruiser's light canvas vest with good durable metal snaps https://www.apneaboard.com/forums/attach...?aid=33700 .
"...I sleep most often on my side but I feel is easier for me to fall asleep on my back. Quite often I fall asleep on my back, then wake up and continue the sleep on my side (sometimes not able to catch the sleep any more). I can share some fresh charts from Oscar and try to sleep on my side.
Regarding the night for November 8th I don't recall any more how much I slept on my back."
Phlegm being a key factor, I'm sure, in your poor sleep it's important you not only try to get control in, say, ways Geer1 or others suggest. Try their or your own approaches, one by one, through a fair trial period: at least a week? a month? longer?
But, also, immediately do more, all you can, in addition to, or as an alternative to, what you've tried to remove positioning effects (e.g., you raising the head end of your bed). That raise up is one of the three "positioning" ways to reduce your troubling sleep disruptive factors that you can control: your three different sleep position options: raise the head of the bed or use a wedge; wear a firm enough cervical collar that fits almost snug against the bottom of your jaw; prevent supine sleep.
Don't reduce but, maybe, raise the head of the bed more or add an upper body wedge. Get a high-enough cervical collar to eliminate or reduce any chin tucking's airflow interference. Take whatever measures are needed and tolerable to ensure you sleep on your side, not on your back. Do all three, one at a time—even all at once if you can. If you sleep no worse doing it, try all three at once ASAP. Just get to a place where you enable better assessments of any dietary, Rx and nostrum-use changes you try. Your trials of your foods, drugs and nostrums, I expect, will require the most trials, time and care to evaluate them. Positioning benefits, if any, should far more quickly become visible in OSCAR or, more importantly, in how rested you feel. (I assume, you will try raising your pressures like PLaP or as I suggested for EMIN (8 or 9 cm) and as you have suggested.)
As in my small-font, colored caveats in my signature area far below: I'm sure you understand this but feel it must be made clear: Any trials you attempt are your own choice and your own responsibility. I and others here are commenting based only on our own lived experiences and from our readings about problem solving here on the forum and elsewhere. We laymen give you our thoughts about how you might improve your sleep, all based on how we interpret information you may or may not provide us. None of us have medical credentials, so far as I know.
To almost exclude any doubt you might have about whether you have slept on your side or supine, I suggest the following simple method. I do assume you can fall asleep on your side—because I know this method makes it very difficult to roll over to side sleep and that would definitely cause arousal. But, if the method gives you more and longer snatches of sleep than you have been getting, there would be a net benefit in better rest and it would clear away a bit of those things that obscure your path toward finding much more restful sleep.
Far simpler than how I stopped my supine sleep, you might try this. Get a sturdy shoe-box size box and an ordinary strong waist belt. Cut minimal slots at the bottom edge of the opposite narrow ends of the box. Slip the belt through the slots and atop the bottom of the box and buckle the belt snugly around your waist. Try your DIY supine block for at least a week. See if it, in addition to raising your exhalation pressure to 8 or 9 cmH20, helps your sleep and your OSCAR graphs. You may well need to tape in reinforcing pieces of sturdy cardboard to maintain shape of the box and to prevent belt slots in the box from enlarging. Sufficient rigidity of the box bottom against your back will keep the block from moving past your hips. The longer the box and it span across the back, the less free movement toward or away from the supine position. Here is a link to the supine block I fashioned using what was apparently a surveyor or timber cruiser's light canvas vest with good durable metal snaps https://www.apneaboard.com/forums/attach...?aid=33700 .
I have no particular qualifications or expertise with respect to the apnea/cpap/sleep related content of my posts beyond my own user experiences and what I've learned from others on this site. Each of us bears the burden of evaluating the validity and applicability of what we read here before acting on it.
Of my 3 once-needed, helpful, and adjunctive devices I have listed, only the accelerometer remains operative (but now idle). My second CMS50I died, too, of old age and the so-so Dreem 2 needs head-positioning band repair--if, indeed, Dreem even supports use of it now.
Of my 3 once-needed, helpful, and adjunctive devices I have listed, only the accelerometer remains operative (but now idle). My second CMS50I died, too, of old age and the so-so Dreem 2 needs head-positioning band repair--if, indeed, Dreem even supports use of it now.
