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RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - justMongo - 05-27-2015
Viewed strictly from the standpoint of power density, the technology is not there.
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - Sleeprider - 05-27-2015
(05-27-2015, 04:29 PM)MobileBasset Wrote: The technology is not a fraud. It already exists in the form of Piezoelectric Micro Pumps which currently have medical applications. Takasago, a Japanese company, is one manufacturer and it's devices are described as miniature, slim and lightweight diaphragm micro pumps which enable continuous micro fluid delivery. Self priming, low noise, low magnetic noise and low power consumption achieved.
I know nothing about Stephen Marsh who is pushing this application and saying air can be the fluid that the pump delivers.
Whether it can deliver a pressure over 10 cmH2O to address apnea - I don't know. I would have to research it and I don't feel motivated
Solar panels are real too, but making them serve as roadways, parking lots and doing what solar roadways claims is also unpossible. It is the plausible element that let these scammers walk away with millions from the gullible, while producing some slick video and small scale models and concepts.
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - estgad - 05-31-2015
A few things to consider.
Circuitry and battery are viable with today's technology, just look at the small "in the canal" hearing aids. Those hearing aids can be set to specific settings, so the circuitry can be accessed by a computer to be adjusted.
The big question would be if those pumps would be able to supply an adequate pressure to treat osa. MobileBasset already pointed out that there are micro pumps.
IMHO it is quite an interesting concept that could revolutionize sleep treatment. The next step would be to get it where it could do Bi-Pap.
Perhaps this is a fraud. One thing they would have to be concerned about would be the FTC & SEC. The SEC is working on rules for crowdfunding.
IMHO need to give it time and just see how it shakes out. If it is a fraud then time will expose it. If not, then let the little bugger prove itself and let's just see how effective it can be.
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - AirSign - 05-31-2015
I'm not going to vote in this poll because I don't see the market position of this device as a replacement for daily CPAP use. At least not soon.
However, if a small disposable could work for just enough hours to let me sleep through a trans-oceanic flight, say from LA to Singapore, that's a disposable device that would interest me. Of course I'd still need my chin strap, but the thought of revving up a full-size PAP machine on an Airbus 308 in economy class is not inspiring me to travel to visit long-time friends overseas.
I see this as a potential short-term supplemental device.
And of course, smaller technology always has its detractors. Most audiophiles still point out the drawbacks of earbuds, as an example. But you don't run into many audiophiles with wired padded earphones on long walks on the beach, so who cares what they think of earbuds.
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - OMyMyOHellYes - 05-31-2015
It's April 1 somewhere.
I'm really amazed that this thing is getting any traction. Next thing you know, they'll be advertising an aftershave with pheromones that will make Sports Illustrated bikini models seek me out by the dozen.
If you could move enough air with a hearing aid battery in this thing, you would be able to use one of those hearing aid batteries to power the S-9 all night. Amplifying sound a tiny amount is no where near pushing 2,000 L of air at pressure all though the night.
OMMOHY
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - Mark Douglas - 06-01-2015
I can't see it happening.
HOWEVER if it gets people thinking about alternatives to current cpap tech I'm all for it.
My vpap is a long way from a belt drive cpap machine. I have read a kangaroo tail is a very efficient energy recovery device. Don't recall who here said it but if the energy of exhalation can be conserved that would possibly be useful tech.
This funding attempt looks like a scam- but if it serves as a catalyst for rethinking cpap machines I think that great.
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - yvzzz - 06-19-2015
(05-27-2015, 04:29 PM)MobileBasset Wrote: The technology is not a fraud. It already exists in the form of Piezoelectric Micro Pumps which currently have medical applications. Takasago, a Japanese company, is one manufacturer and it's devices are described as miniature, slim and lightweight diaphragm micro pumps which enable continuous micro fluid delivery. Self priming, low noise, low magnetic noise and low power consumption achieved.
I know nothing about Stephen Marsh who is pushing this application and saying air can be the fluid that the pump delivers.
Whether it can deliver a pressure over 10 cmH2O to address apnea - I don't know. I would have to research it and I don't feel motivated
Frankly, I was intrigued as well and checked Takasago's website (takasago-fluidics.com/products_pump/piezo/). Their highest flow rate for a piezoelectric micro pump is 20 ml per minute, which I would say means sure death if one would use it. The device seems larger than the Airing device at 33 x 33 x 5.5 mm.
I think this is a scam... but a rather lucrative one apparently! They've already raised $606,000!
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - OMyMyOHellYes - 06-20-2015
(05-27-2015, 04:29 PM)MobileBasset Wrote: The technology is not a fraud. It already exists in the form of Piezoelectric Micro Pumps which currently have medical applications. Takasago, a Japanese company, is one manufacturer and it's devices are described as miniature, slim and lightweight diaphragm micro pumps which enable continuous micro fluid delivery. Self priming, low noise, low magnetic noise and low power consumption achieved.
I know nothing about Stephen Marsh who is pushing this application and saying air can be the fluid that the pump delivers.
Whether it can deliver a pressure over 10 cmH2O to address apnea - I don't know. I would have to research it and I don't feel motivated
Um, fluids, with non-compressible hydraulic properties (in functional terms), are not comparable to compressible gases. And for a power supply? HOly crap - next thing they will be telling us is that the little thing is powered by either an internal cold fusion reactor or a tiny, tiny mouse running on an internal wheel cage. Or elves.
IMO, the "technology" in this case is DOA.
If folks just want to get rid of excess cash, I can think of several avenues that will actually help people, well, other than the "inventor".
OMMOHY
RE: Wondering if anyone has heard of this - DeepBreathing - 06-20-2015
Apart from issues of power density and micro pump capacity, how the heck does this thing stay in your nose under pressure without headgear? A P10 won't maintain a seal above 14 or 15 cm, even with headgear (of a sort). Maybe there are hooks on the nose buds!?