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RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Glamdrhel - 08-12-2018 [attachment=7748] (08-12-2018, 12:43 PM)Sleeprider Wrote: First, with regard to cost, please consider Supplier #2 on our supplier list. They can sell new "open box" and lightly used machines, and frequently have ST and ASV machines at under $3000. This company provides reasonable cost international shipping and will service your machine and provide warranty services.hi I only got the summary from the vpap study that I posted earlier. Wil try tomorrow to see if I can get the details out of the sleep lab. i am attaching the results of the previous study. It is also in afrikaans, but you should be able to figure it out using google translate. I will have a go later. RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - jaswilliams - 08-12-2018 Glamdrhel Can you post a sleepyhead daily report from your existing machine ? So we can see what’s happening there ? RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Spy Car - 08-12-2018 (08-12-2018, 01:35 PM)Glamdrhel Wrote:(08-12-2018, 12:10 PM)Spy Car Wrote: $15,000 USD? Wheww. Quite a typo. I may have misunderstood your condition, I thought you had central/mixed apneas. I'd follow Sleepriders advice. Good luck finding the right machine. Bill RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - jaswilliams - 08-12-2018 I am not sure your numbers are bad enough to justify the expense of purchasing your own asv, unless the graphs posted in this thread are non typical. But the ASV will be the more comfortable machine to use rather than an ST RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Sleeprider - 08-12-2018 Glamdrol, I was overly influenced by the bias in your most recent sleep study. It was clearly directed toward maintenance of tidal volume/aveolar volume and failed to show what we saw earlier in this thread. First, we started with the fact you have central apnea with no respiratory effort based on polysomnograpy. About 1/3 of the apnea is obstructive with the remaining amounts being mixed or central. The only Sleepyhead chart we have suggests a mixed apnea problem in the mild range, and a respiration rate of 16 BPM which contradicts the concerns of the most recent study of a long inspiratory time or tidal volume seem mis-placed given a PS of 2 in this case. This chart does suggest an EPAP minimum pressure of 8 to 10 may be appropriate, so your most recent titration suggesting 14 cm seems to be excessive. I would dearly like to see more CPAP data from Sleepyhead in this thread, but the everything we saw pointed to ASV rather than ST. If you are not aware of a restrictive or neurological cause for hypoventilation, then I think your most recent study was biased and you should pursue ASV therapy. We can make ASV work similarly to ST, but we can't make an ST machine do what ASV does. Based on past results and unless a pathological reason exists for ST, I recommend you get the ASV machine. If you must pull the trigger on the basis of available information, I recommend the Pacewave CS/ASV rather than a ST machine. Not very surprising that my friend Spy Car had this right from the beginning. RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Glamdrhel - 08-12-2018 Hi Please see attached a few sample sleepyhead reports. Sleeprider, thanks for your detailed explanation. There is no exsiting condition for a restrictive or neurological cause for hypoventilation. I am myself leaning towards an asv. regards Wouter RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Sleeprider - 08-12-2018 Thanks for the extra charts. Not a lot of central activity there, but if you're going for a bilevel with backup, I like CS Pacewave / ASV in ASV auto mode at EPAP min 8.0, EPAP max 12.0, PS min 3.0, PS max 15.0. Feel free to run through the protocol starting with lower EPAP pressure, but I think you may end up here. RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Glamdrhel - 08-13-2018 Thanks Just waiting for quotes from diffrent suppliers. RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Glamdrhel - 08-13-2018 Ok Got the quotes the cs pacewave goes for about $3500 and the lumnis 150 for about $2100 These prices seem reasonable . Both local suppliers are recommending that I get the lumnis 150. Both prices are less than I expected. Now the question is: Do I listen to the suppliers and get the lumnis 150 and will it be enough to cover my treatment or do I bite the bullet and get the pacewave cs? My medical will cover the same amout of about $600 regardless of what machine I get. I am willing to go for any one of those two machines. Thanks RE: ASV op BIPAP- which one? - Sleeprider - 08-13-2018 Based on a presumption of backup rate for central or complex apnea, and the ability to maintain bilevel pressure support, the Pacewave is more appropriate. With the Lumis you will get the same pressure support on every breath whether you need it or not. The Pacewave will maintain your respiration rate and volume with automatic pressure adjustments. |