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Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - gamegrrl - 06-05-2017
Does anyone here use a VPAP during the day to help ease their breathing? A VPAP essentially provides non-invasive ventilation. I'm a "weird breather", even when I'm awake. I've always been a shallow breather, for one thing. As my COPD progresses, I often find it difficult to simply breathe during the day, and find the VPAP very tempting.
Kind of weird, I guess, wanting to use it more rather than less.
I'm just wondering if that could cause a problem or anything.
RE: Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - pholynyk - 06-06-2017
The other day while Googling the question about the 'Nippy 3', I came across a number of British articles about 'Non-Invasive Positive Pressure Ventilation' or NIPPV. They described its use for COPD and various other daytime breathing problems - mostly in a hospital environment, I think. I didn't pursue those, but you might start there, and discuss them with your doctor.
NIPPV is essentially the same as our Bi-level or BiPAP treatment.
RE: Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - gamegrrl - 06-06-2017
That is excellent, helpful info! Thanks, pholynyk!
RE: Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - PsychoMike - 06-06-2017
I know in the pre-hospital care environment there has been some discussion on the use of NIPPV. I also know that for some injuries, the regulator used for supplemental oxygen therapy has an alarm to help "weird breathers" remember to breathe.
Could be something to it.
Of course, the potential danger is in the development of a reliance on a back-up rate in certain situations / illnesses...which could accelerate the progression to requiring ventilation.
Dig into it and bring the info to your doc. If you can make a good case and have a good doc open to trying things out, perhaps it'll be something you explore together.
RE: Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - gamegrrl - 06-06-2017
(06-06-2017, 12:45 PM)PsychoMike Wrote: Of course, the potential danger is in the development of a reliance on a back-up rate in certain situations / illnesses...which could accelerate the progression to requiring ventilation.This. This is exactly what my concern is. I will talk to my doc about it.
It's funny how ten years ago I would cry before bed when I was trying to adapt to BiPap. Here I am now, fairly comfortable with my VPap and even hoping I can sometimes use it during the day. lol
RE: Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - dmeRT - 06-06-2017
Your talking about "end-stage" COPD treatment. there is mask/mouthpiece ventilation done via a "Trilogy" machine. But you have to meet certain conditions to qualify for the therapy.
"Chronic respiratory failure consequent to COPD; and
Condition is life-threatening where interruption of respiratory support would quickly lead to serious harm or
death"
Well documented disease progression would be needed. If it feels easier to breathe with your vpap when your having difficulty then feel free to use it during the day. Of course if your feeling short of breath then that may be an indication of an exacerbation of your COPD.
RE: Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - SarcasticDave94 - 09-29-2017
FWIW I find myself in a similar situation, including COPD. It is easier to breathe while pressurized by my ASV at night versus the struggle with slow and shallow breathing during the daytime. And IMO body position is not a real factor for me. The just-retired pulmonary doctor didn't believe I need any therapy, other than the inhalers, to address what he believes to be between stage 1 and 2 COPD. However, the appeal judge for Social Security Disability has reported on-record during my appeal that the physicians reported to him that my COPD is already severe.
RE: Using VPAP During Waking Hours for Easier Breathing? - gamegrrl - 09-30-2017
I have less than 30% lung function, according to my recent pulmonary function test. No wonder I feel like doodoo all the time, eh?