Resmed Pulse Oximeter - Nonin 3150 BLE Purchase

[wayneflo]

I bought the Nonin 3150 BLE with 8000SM (adult medium) soft finger sensor on eBay for $475.  Online typical price is $915, as far as I can see.  But it is difficult to buy because sale is restricted to medical professionals, it is not a consumer device.  

There are a limited number available from the eBay seller.  Possibly a hospital shut down and brokered their stock out for sale.  Not sure how long it will be available.  The offering title is:  "NONIN Wrist OX Bluetooth Pulse Oximeter Model 3150. Brand New in Box."

I have not received my Nonin 3150 yet, so cannot confirm it is a legitimate device, but the eBay offering looks good.  As always, eBay buyers should beware of scams.

No prescription was required on eBay, but a disclaimer stated you have to be a qualified medical clinic to purchase.  

An email to me from Nonin states:

"As an FDA classified medical device it’s available exclusively to physicians and hospitals to monitor their patients, and only via our authorized medical distributors. If you have a prescription from your healthcare team, it can be ordered from one of our distributors, linked below." ...  "our authorized online distributors, i.e. Turner Medical, Concord Health Supply, or Medical Device Depot."

I was not able to create an account on Concord Health Supply because it required a federal tax ID.  But they had a $754 price, better than the $915 I have seen.  

Wayne

[srlevine1]

@waynefloThanks for the update.

I am sticking with my older Nonin 3012LP with the ResMed S10 adapter until Resmed improves or replaces the AirSense 11. I did not need a prescription to purchase the kit, so it might be DME's policy whether or not to require one.

While I replaced (and reconditioned) my 5+ year-old S10 with a new S10 Card-to-Cloud, I have little faith in the S11 as they are being pumped out to capture market share due to the Respironics debacle. I like connectivity, but I do not need a gamified interface to hold my attention (I have OSCAR), nor do I need a crappy water chamber or what is reputed to be an undersized motor.

Caveat: It is important not to mix up the classic Nonin 3150 oximeters with the newly released BLE oximeter. The newly released BLE oximeter has blue fonts on the front, while the classic Nonin 3150 has white fonts. There is a PIN number on the back label of the classic oximeter, while there is no PIN number on the BLE

[wayneflo]

I now think it is the prior model that is not supported by the Resmed. 

It has the same name, but uses the word Bluetooth instead of BLE. 

I will  be likely have to return it.

[wayneflo]

I bought the Nonin 3150 BLE with 8000SM (adult medium) soft finger sensor on eBay for $475.  Online typical price is $915, as far as I can see.  But it is difficult to buy because sale is restricted to medical professionals, it is not a consumer device.  

There are a limited number available from the eBay seller.  Possibly a hospital shut down and brokered their stock out for sale.  Not sure how long it will be available.  The offering title is:  "NONIN Wrist OX Bluetooth Pulse Oximeter Model 3150. Brand New in Box."

I have not received my Nonin 3150 yet, so cannot confirm it is a legitimate device, but the eBay offering looks good.  As always, eBay buyers should beware of scams.

No prescription was required on eBay, but a disclaimer stated you have to be a qualified medical clinic to purchase.  

An email to me from Nonin states:

"As an FDA classified medical device it’s available exclusively to physicians and hospitals to monitor their patients, and only via our authorized medical distributors. If you have a prescription from your healthcare team, it can be ordered from one of our distributors, linked below." ...  "our authorized online distributors, i.e. Turner Medical, Concord Health Supply, or Medical Device Depot."

I was not able to create an account on Concord Health Supply because it required a federal tax ID.  But they had a $754 price, better than the $915 I have seen.  

Wayne

I received the Nonin 3150 BLE from eBay item "NONIN Wrist OX Bluetooth Pulse Oximeter Model 3150."  

It included the 8000SM reusable soft sensor, but does not include the nVision software, which is important.  It was an awesome deal, can't believe it.  All packaging was intact, it appeared to be unused.  But the batteries were missing, so someone had opened the box.  The box had not been sealed at the factory.

I also bought one from Turner Medical, $915.  It is the starter kit, includes the USB cable and your choice of 8000S sensor in small, medium or large.  It also includes the nVision software for $300 extra.

[srlevine1]

I received the Nonin 3150 BLE from eBay item "NONIN Wrist OX Bluetooth Pulse Oximeter Model 3150."  

Was it the newest BLE version and did you try pairing it with S11?

[wayneflo]

Was it the newest BLE version and did you try pairing it with S11?

Yes.  It is the newest BLE version.  It has blue writing instead of white.  

I paired both the eBay and the Turner Medical 3150s to Resmed AutoSense 11 cpaps.  It was quick and easy.  Reboot the 3150 by removing one battery.  Replace the battery and let the 3150 boot.  Stick your finger in it to start it up.  When you see the bluetooth symbol, press MORE on the AutoSense 11 and select Oximeters.  Then click Search.  The 3150 will be displayed.  Select it, and click Connect.  Voila, it will display success.

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[wayneflo]

Yes.  It is the newest BLE version.  It has blue writing instead of white.  

Price just dropped to $350.

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[srlevine1]

GREAT NEWS! Way to go waneflo!

[ahuman]

Is the advantage accuracy versus the Wellue O2ring? A disadvantage is it can be used only with the Resmed 11s and not 10s or other machines? 

How is the comfort on your finger tip? Sometimes that part can be uncomfortable.

[wayneflo]

Is the advantage accuracy versus the Wellue O2ring? A disadvantage is it can be used only with the Resmed 11s and not 10s or other machines? 

How is the comfort on your finger tip? Sometimes that part can be uncomfortable.

I’ve used Wellue O2 Rings for about 6 months. It is fairly accurate, but can be off 2-4%, often.  I’ve compared it to medical grade oximeters often, in doctor offices, and now to the Nonin 3150. 

I’ve also found the O2 Ring fails totally sometimes, usually because it has slipped to a part of the finger that does not give accurate readings. I’ve seen plunges in my SpO2 measured by the O2Ring that are dramatic and incorrect. Adjust it, and it spikes SpO2 back to the correct value. It should recognize these, but it doesn’t. You can sometimes confirm this by observing similar errors in the heart rate graph or the motion graph. 

A 2nd problem with importing oximeter data from Wellue or other vendors is the clocks are not synchronized between the Resmed and the Oximeter. 

The Resmed has an inaccurate clock, and cannot be set by the user. The Wellue gets its clock from your phone, which is precisely the correct time. Since the Resmed clock is not synchronized with the oximeter clock, you cannot accurately see cause and effect between SpO2 data and Resmed flow data. 

The 3rd problem with importing oximeter data is the doctor doesn’t accept it as accurate. So if you talk to them about it, they mostly discount it as likely inaccurate data. 

The Nonin 3150 solves all 3 problems. It is a medical grade oximeter widely used in clinics and hospitals for continuous patient monitoring. It is likely to be the device your pulmonologist uses for home and sleep lab studies. 

The Nonin 3150 bluetooths oximeter directly into the Resmed. So it is totally synchronized with the Resmed clock, regardless of the Resmed clock error. 

The Nonin finger sensor maintains its position on the finger extremely well, so it does not have the dramatic failures from movement on the finger. I use paper bandage tape to hold it in place while sleeping. I’m not sure it’s necessary, but I do not want any errors. I don’t think the tape would work as well on the Wellue, but it might help. 

The Nonin finger sensor is very soft and comfortable. 

A benefit of the Wellue, is the ability to wash your hands while wearing it. 

You have to remove the Nonin to wash your hands. But it does not cause any discontinuity in the data, which just restarts on the Resmed when you put it back on.