[News] RECALL THREAD-- IMPORTANT PHILIPS DREAMSTATION & SYSTEM ONE USERS

[hegel]

Does anyone know if Medicare will cover a rental ResMed device, perhaps on a month-to-month basis, at least until PR repairs and/or replaces our recalled DreamStation devices?

that seems like a good idea. Renting until Medicare sorts this out or PR repairs their machines or replaces them makes sense. Then PR should reimburse the cost. "Should", but who knows?

I certainly wouldn't continue to use a recalled cpap machine.

[cathyf]

Does anyone know if Medicare will cover a rental ResMed device, perhaps on a month-to-month basis, at least until PR repairs and/or replaces our recalled DreamStation devices?

Now we all know that the whole "cpap rental" game is just a scam to spread the machine purchase over 2 (or 3!) deductible/OOP cycles, but it certainly seems like the flip side of that is that if they normally cover "rentals" then the insurance contract should cover a real rental, too!

(Isn't that how it works when you "fail" an APAP first to get an ASV? You rent -- really rent -- an APAP for say five months, the doctor says, "nope, not good enough," you return the rental APAP to the DME, then you "rent" the ASV until you own it?)

[packtheknife]

Concerning the 5-yr rule, I've called medicare TWICE (on 2 different days in last week).

Both times they assured me that the 5-yr rule DOES NOT apply on a recall.

I've told my DME this, but she (who is the office manager) is still reluctant to fulfill the doctor's prescription of 3 weeks ago (he wants me to have the resmed aircurve 10 bilevel).

What advice can anyone give me, to speed up the process.  I can tell from her demeanor that she does not want me to have the machine.

My only conclusion is that I think the DME companies are waiting for the machines to have such a demand that the price will go up and their profits will increase!!!

Pardon me, though.  Aren't we the profit and the office workers in the DMEs the overhead???  Why can't we get a machine immediately if the doctor prescribes it?

Thanks
Jay

[Crimson Nape]

There are always other DMEs. I sure at least one would like your business.

[packtheknife]

However, this DME is the only one in town that I could find that has the machine.

Question:   Should I look out of town or even out of state?  Would medicare still pay?  How do I find DMEs in the U.S. who support medicare?

Thanks for any help.  I'm almost at the point of seeking legal advice, but I'll see what happens in the next day or so.

I almost feel like some have the attitude that since I'm of this age, I don't need a new machine, I'm going to go with something anyway. But I'm still kicking so far, and I'd like to go on a little longer.  I've survived covid (3 members of my family had it, but survived), and now I hope I can survive a defective machine that's been pouring bad air into my lungs.

Gracious me!!! What else?

[Crimson Nape]

I would recommend that you perform an internet search for DMEs in a widening search area. Call them and ask. The worst that can happen is they say, "No".

- Red

[SarcasticDave94]

Another pointer about this, if you tell your current DME that if they're not willing to fill the script that you'll take your business somewhere else. Somewhere else doesn't need to be identified really. Somewhere else is not them. See if they still resist to fill the script with the ResMed. If they do resist then actually do go somewhere else. Your money goes with you and that's the whole point I'm making.

[Glen e]

I think in normal times Dave, that’s probably true. But if a DME right now has resmed units in stock ,they’re running the show and they know it. If they’re not already gone, I can’t imagine any resmed unit being in stock when the rmanufacturer makes units in the hundreds of thousands (or tens of thousands) per year and the base that is effected it is in the millions. It’s definitely a sellers market right now and they know it. Besides that most DME’s are overworked/ underpaid not too talented people , that really don’t give a damn , in my opinion. They’re just trying to get through the day in this current situation.

And it doesn’t seem that there’s any sheriff in town watching over this whole mess to keep the medical industry in line. Maybe later , but now it’s the wild wild West out there.

[btreger]

I just came back from my local CVS, and they now are offering CPAP machines. They had two Resmed machines on display, the AirSense 10, and the AirSense Go. This may be store and location dependant but if you have one nearby, it can't hurt to give them a call.

[WakeUpTime]

"Are CPAP Filters a Viable Interim Solution for the Philips Recall?"
SLEEP REVIEW MAGAZINE - Posted by Lisa Spear | Jul 7, 2021 | CPAP & PAP Devices, Sleep Safety

As sleep professionals and patients await repaired or replaced devices, many turn to in-line filters that are readily available over the internet. But are the filters effective against foam particulates and off-gassing?


After about a year of using his DreamStation, the medical device company that sells his device, Philips Respironics, recalled the machine, and millions like it that are used to treat sleep apnea. The company declared that a black piece of foam on the inside of the machines that is used to mitigate noise and vibration from the motor could be breaking down, exposing users to particulates and potentially toxic or carcinogenic chemicals.

Richards’ physician would not advise him on what to do, and Philips gave him no word on how long it will take to repair or replace the device, so Richards decided to continue using the machine, too fearful of going back to the fatigue, heart palpitations, and anxiety that he experienced before his sleep apnea was treated.  “Well, really, you have two options: you could get cancer, or you could die in your sleep, I will probably go with cancer,” Richards says. “I am going to roll the dice and use the CPAP.”

Now, like so many others, Richards turned to the Internet to find an interim solution. Many people in his sleep apnea support group on Facebook, too fatigued during the day or sick with heart conditions to consider stopping CPAP use, turned to in-line filters to mitigate risk while they continue to use their recalled machines.  Richards ordered a CPAP filter off of [.....].

These filters are easy to obtain from online retailers, but there is no evidence they are effective at removing gaseous chemicals. Indeed, the FDA has released a statement stating that in-line filters will not protect consumers from chemicals produced by the polyester-based polyurethane foam inside the recalled Philips machines. It further states, “The FDA does not have evidence of the safety and effectiveness of a filter for mitigating the foam risks, and the FDA’s evaluation is ongoing.”

The in-line filters, Philips says, may trap some foam particles and prevent them from irritating the patients’ airways, but questions remain on just how effective they are for that purpose.

“Product specifications commonly do not always clearly elaborate on performance, such as the particle diameter at which the filter will efficiently remove particles, though they may make more general statements about filtration,” explains Shannon Sullivan, MD, the American Academy of Sleep Medicine’s (AASM) public safety committee vice chair [...].

Still, many sleep specialists, unsure of what to do and hoping to prevent some amount of harm to their patients, recommend the in-line filters as a way to cope while they wait for Philips’ next steps. During a recent AASM panel, the moderator mentioned receiving several questions from sleep labs about whether they should consider outfitting their CPAPs used in titration studies with filters.

A sleep specialist at Johns Hopkins Center for Sleep, Sara Elizabeth Benjamin, MD, mentioned that the lab where she works is outfitting its CPAP machines with filters, while making patients aware of the risk by way of a consent form.

But other sleep specialists do not favor their use. These filters will not help filter gases out, so I would not recommend them,” explains Akhil Raghuram, MD, medical director of the Vancouver Sleep Center in Portland, Ore.

“While filters may potentially provide protection from foam degradation, there are design, engineering, and other factors that would need to be addressed to make this use effective.”  The in-line filters, Fante said, should only be used for 1 to 2 days in a clinical setting. Use beyond this period is considered off-label use.

Sullivan cautions that in-line filters can also cause problems with certain devices, including CPAP, APAP, or bilevel devices, which are also the most commonly used devices.  “These devices have design characteristics which may present issues for the use of in-line filters,” says Sullivan, a sleep specialist at Stanford Center for Sleep Sciences and Medicine in California.  Sullivan explains that if someone were to decide to use an in-line filter, it might fit between the device and its tubing. On certain PAP devices, this would interfere with the heated tubing mechanism. Another place the filter might be fitted is between the hose/tubing and the mask, which would be bulky.  Also, heated humidifiers, often used with CPAP, can cause water to collect in the filter chamber, which may clog the filter. The filters may also impact therapy by affecting auto-sensing and/or by adding resistance to airflow, according to Sullivan.

Nevertheless, patients like Richards feel as if they have few options. Some are paying out-of-pocket for new machines. Richards has ordered a ResMed device but doesn’t know when it will arrive. Until then, he says, he has started using an in-line filter and a nagging sore throat that he has had since starting his therapy has dissipated.

“The biggest thing is: I just need to be able to function throughout my day,” says Richards. “Being able to function and being able to do the things that I enjoy to do is important, if that means I have to inhale cancer gas all night long, I will do it until this thing is over.”